Francesco
Rosi
THE ITALIAN CULTURAL INSTITUTE AND THE INSTITUT FRANÇAIS
LONDON RECENTLY PRESENTED A COMPLETE RETROSPECTIVE OF FRANCESCO
ROSI’S FILMS AT CINÉ LUMIÈRE. PAOLO GERBAUDO
TALKS TO ROSI ABOUT BRITISH CINEMA, ‘DOCUMENTED FILMS,’
NATIONAL REALITIES AND HIDDEN POWER IN FILM
There was a period in Italian cinema “when we could
not make films without representing the reality around us.”
The cinema of Francesco Rosi flourished in that unrepeatable
phase - between the end of the second world war and the
end of the seventies - marking a second-wave Italian Neo-realism
aimed at an analytical investigation of national politics
and society.
Now Francesco Rosi is 83 years old, and together with Michelangelo
Antonioni, is among the last living directors of a wonderful
generation of cinema artists that ranged from Fellini and
Visconti to De Sica and Rossellini. The retrospective dedicated
to the Italian director by the Italian Cultural Institute
and Institute François in collaboration with Conceits
Holding and hosted at Cine Lumiere in South Kensington explores
a fifty-year career in which Rosi has produced 16 films,
from the early The Challenge (1957), to his last film The
Truce (1997), based on Primo Levi’s book, starring
John Turturro.

At the centre of Rosi’s rich cinematographic career
stands the period of the so-called ‘cine-inchieste,’
what he himself calls “not documentary but documented
films.” Films like Salvatore Giuliano (1961), The
Mattei Affair (1972) and Lucky Luciano (1973) - carefully
based on judicial sources and dealing with controversial
figures of recent Italian history. Those characters were
employed to unfold the complexity of history through the
stories of individual men. Powerful and tragic Italians
like the national oil company entrepreneur Enrico Mattei
and the Sicilian bandit Salvatore Giuliano condense in themselves
all the contradictions of a society suffering from Byzantine
intrigues and hidden complicities between political power
and organised crime.
While dealing with these characters and their mysterious
lives and deaths, Rosi never tried to impose a unique solution.
Their appearance on the screen is not a biographical account
but much more the metaphor of a society subject to violent
and obscure changes where it is hard to grasp cause-effect
laws. “I always tried to represent the reality of
my country with all my doubts and all my questions, questions
to which I am not able to find an answer.” In his
later films, there is no ‘end’: the film and
all the questions it posed continue in the reality of the
spectator after leaving the cinema. In the impossibility
to propose a single answer and in the will to question stands
the civic character of a cinema that offers deep insights
into a nation and its society.
“Only
by being national a film can be universal,” says Rosi.
His films have become part of an analytical and mythical
national narration that, for many years, Italian cinema
has beenun able to reproduce. Surprisingly, the “poet
of civic courage,” as Carlo Testa realistically defined
him, does not seem to have many followers.
Do you think this retrospective is a late acknowledgement
of your work in Britain?
Absolutely not. I have already had different occasions to
present my films to the British public. After the release
of The Truce, a retrospective of my work was organised in
Edinburgh. I also attended a retrospective organised in
Cambridge by The Guardian that put my film Salvatore Giuliano
among 100 great films of the cinema history. Years ago,
I organised a retrospective of my films in London at Cinema
One and Cinema Two, at that time owned by American producer
David Stone. But this is my first complete retrospective,
which also includes my documentary Naples Diary that I produced
after The Hands Over the City.
What is your relationship with British Cinema? Who are
the British directors you feel closest to?
I have a high consideration for Ken Loach. I also like the
work of John Boorman, particularly Point Blank, not to speak
of Richardson and many other ‘myths.’
The Mattei Affair and Lucky Luciano can be considered your
last “not documentary but documented” films
as you defined them. Why have you decided to leave that
genre in your later work?
I did not abandon the genre. I simply continued to make
films about Italian reality in a way that could fit better
the new topics I was interested in. For example, to narrate
the wonderful book The Context by Leonardo Sciascia was
something that would have not fit the ‘documented
film’ format. All my films, including the inquiry
ones, are first of all films about people, about human passions,
about the participation of people in history to overcome
oppression and pain.
You often speak of cinema as a mirror of national reality.
Why do you think that, while Italian Cinema successfully
undertook that task after the War and until the seventies,
today it just seems to be a broken mirror?
Because today reality is much more complex. The world has
changed. Television undertakes a very invasive role in people’s
lives and most of the time it subtracts to cinema the possibility
of describing reality with the richness of cinematographic
analysis. Television is much more rapid in covering historical
events but it does so in a much more simplified way. This,
nonetheless, does not mean that cinema cannot express itself
any more with the rigour that colleagues of my generation
and I demonstrated.
In your films there is often the existence of a power that
controls reality but remains behind the curtains. Does this
demonstrate the limitation of cinema in describing the invisible
power?
To represent power is difficult. Sometimes power manifests
itself with crime, violence and oppression. But more often
it remains behind people that do not seem to have to do
with it. When there occurs any violent historical change,
there is always someone standing behind observing it. Real
power waits for things to happen.
Who are the directors that influenced you and the ones
that you think you have influenced?
It is not a question of influence. It is something in the
air, the films you see. I saw Elia Kazan’s films and
he saw mine. I saw Francis Ford Coppola’s films and
he saw mine. I saw Martin Scorsese’s films and he
saw mine. There is something in common among us in our sensibility
and our way of approaching reality.
What was the last film you saw?
Good Night, Good Luck. I really liked that film. Interestingly
enough, the writer, George Clooney, told the Herald Tribune
that he had seen my films.
If you had decided to make a film in London, what film
would you have made?
A film that has nothing to do with the kind of cinema we
have been speaking about. There is a wonderful story, set
in London, by Mario Soldati. It deals with a man held prisoner
by two women; a story about a discovery of London made through
houses, roofs and dorms. However, I have never concretely
thought to set one of my films in London, because you have
to know the reality of a country, the reality of a city
to recount it. How could I recount London which is such
a complex and interesting universe.
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